1 00:00:07,430 --> 00:00:03,830 our speaker stephen parker 2 00:00:10,310 --> 00:00:07,440 is a managing partner of the wpnd law 3 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:10,320 offices in washington d.c 4 00:00:16,230 --> 00:00:13,200 he works a lot with patent law 5 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:16,240 and with regard to medical devices and 6 00:00:19,990 --> 00:00:18,400 he's also been engaged in remote viewing 7 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:20,000 experiments with the university of 8 00:00:23,830 --> 00:00:21,920 virginia 9 00:00:27,189 --> 00:00:23,840 he's studying obes and other mental 10 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:27,199 states for over 20 years in today's talk 11 00:00:33,590 --> 00:00:30,400 sponsored by john valentino 12 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:33,600 is the patent hurdles faced by companies 13 00:00:40,150 --> 00:00:36,640 seeking to protect inventions in 14 00:00:41,270 --> 00:00:40,160 emerging and or not widely accepted 15 00:00:46,150 --> 00:00:41,280 sciences 16 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:47,750 thank you very much 17 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:49,760 so now that we start talking about 18 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:52,000 winning lotteries and making money then 19 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:58,310 i think i would like to talk about 20 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:00,000 patents and intellectual property i 21 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:02,320 think it's good for people uh doing 22 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:03,920 research to realize that there are 23 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:06,240 sometimes practical things you can do 24 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:09,280 and to have a better understanding that 25 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:11,040 maybe you need to try to 26 00:01:15,590 --> 00:01:12,799 focus on the business side and try to 27 00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:15,600 protect your inventions 28 00:01:19,109 --> 00:01:18,000 mostly i'm focusing on patents 29 00:01:20,710 --> 00:01:19,119 because they tend to be the most 30 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:20,720 important uh 31 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:22,960 type of intellectual property for 32 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:27,360 inventions and technology development 33 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:28,720 and some of my 34 00:01:31,350 --> 00:01:30,320 captions are meant to be silly a little 35 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:31,360 bit 36 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:32,240 okay 37 00:01:36,789 --> 00:01:35,040 physical property things you know 38 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:36,799 bicycles or whatever 39 00:01:41,830 --> 00:01:38,640 everyone knows when you have it it's 40 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:41,840 your bicycle it's in your in your garage 41 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:43,680 if you don't do 42 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:46,079 certain things take certain acts 43 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:47,280 something that you think is your 44 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:48,799 invention 45 00:01:54,310 --> 00:01:52,479 follow certain legal principles it just 46 00:01:56,550 --> 00:01:54,320 won't exist so it's very important to 47 00:01:58,709 --> 00:01:56,560 understand certain basic things like you 48 00:02:00,469 --> 00:01:58,719 could work for a company 49 00:02:02,469 --> 00:02:00,479 develop some wonderful thing and come 50 00:02:04,389 --> 00:02:02,479 out and tell everybody about it 51 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:04,399 a year later you have nothing you've 52 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:09,270 so i think that's a very important thing 53 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:10,720 to understand 54 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:13,120 at least the basics of of uh what you're 55 00:02:15,990 --> 00:02:15,040 dealing with 56 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:16,000 um 57 00:02:22,390 --> 00:02:18,400 this this basically lists uh sort of the 58 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:22,400 basic types of intellectual property um 59 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:24,239 patents as i mentioned and that gives 60 00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:26,959 you the right to exclude that's like a 61 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:28,480 word that i think most of people here 62 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:29,440 don't like 63 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:31,920 exclude others how could i do that 64 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:34,000 for making using and selling an 65 00:02:36,869 --> 00:02:35,120 invention 66 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:36,879 for 20 years 67 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:38,400 trademarks i think people understand 68 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:40,959 protect names of companies and stuff 69 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:43,040 but usually your company is not 70 00:02:46,309 --> 00:02:44,560 so much based on the name unless you're 71 00:02:48,229 --> 00:02:46,319 selling a soda pop or something like 72 00:02:49,750 --> 00:02:48,239 that it's all on marketing 73 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:49,760 copyrights i think a lot of you 74 00:02:52,949 --> 00:02:51,360 understand copyrights 75 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:52,959 doing a lot of publications and things 76 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:53,920 like that 77 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:55,680 um but they generally are not going to 78 00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:56,560 be the type thing that's going to 79 00:03:00,309 --> 00:02:58,319 protect a business because they're 80 00:03:01,670 --> 00:03:00,319 they're cut they're protecting someone 81 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:01,680 preventing someone from actually 82 00:03:06,309 --> 00:03:04,000 accessing and copying some article or 83 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:06,319 some creative work 84 00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:08,560 trade secrets i think actually is an 85 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:10,480 important area for for people to focus 86 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:12,400 on 87 00:03:16,149 --> 00:03:14,080 especially in technologies that take a 88 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:16,159 long time to develop you're not sure 89 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:18,640 what technology might come out of it 90 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:20,400 you want to become known in the in the 91 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:22,319 market and give talks and things like 92 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:24,959 this but sometimes you have to balance 93 00:03:28,229 --> 00:03:27,120 uh maintaining trade secrets if you see 94 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:28,239 a business 95 00:03:32,710 --> 00:03:30,080 side to something 96 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:32,720 and i always put in contracts um 97 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:34,560 a lot of intellectual property is 98 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:37,120 protected by contracts you have 99 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:39,360 developers you have people filming 100 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:40,799 things for you 101 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:43,120 recording doing programming if you don't 102 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,440 do the correct contracts to kind of set 103 00:03:49,030 --> 00:03:47,760 up your your foundation you can run into 104 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:49,040 trouble and i just wanted to give you 105 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:52,080 guys a general idea of uh the types of 106 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:54,720 intellectual property there are 107 00:03:57,750 --> 00:03:55,920 um 108 00:04:00,229 --> 00:03:57,760 now i'm going into some of the hurdles 109 00:04:02,869 --> 00:04:00,239 faced by people and trying to patent 110 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:02,879 things in these kinds of areas 111 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:05,200 and so i i put this caption a to be or 112 00:04:09,190 --> 00:04:06,560 not to be 113 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:09,200 protected that is the question 114 00:04:12,949 --> 00:04:11,040 will you protect your invention or will 115 00:04:15,509 --> 00:04:12,959 you give it to the world 116 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:15,519 so this is my being silly the jesus 117 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:16,880 patent strategy 118 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:19,680 now jesus decides that he's you know 119 00:04:23,189 --> 00:04:21,680 giving to all and why protect this thing 120 00:04:24,469 --> 00:04:23,199 you want to get out everything out to 121 00:04:26,629 --> 00:04:24,479 the public 122 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:26,639 um and you know you're not in it for a 123 00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:29,520 personal gain and stuff like that 124 00:04:33,749 --> 00:04:31,280 but i think 125 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:33,759 the reality of our lives 126 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:36,479 that we need to work and survive make 127 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:37,440 money 128 00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:38,800 and uh 129 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:41,199 unless i'm sorry to put like graphic 130 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:42,960 there maybe someone be offended by that 131 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:44,320 i joke you 132 00:04:48,629 --> 00:04:46,560 but unless you're really uh willing to 133 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:48,639 put your whole life out there and and 134 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:50,639 give it all up i don't recommend that 135 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:53,120 first strategy i think approaching 136 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:55,520 patents and realizing that if you can 137 00:04:59,830 --> 00:04:57,440 you can get a patent on something you 138 00:05:01,670 --> 00:04:59,840 know maybe certain technology you can if 139 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:01,680 you don't want to make money on it you 140 00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:04,320 can at least steer the the community you 141 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:05,840 know if like 142 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:07,680 if you patent something perhaps you can 143 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:09,840 actually help guide the direction of 144 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:11,520 some where it will go 145 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:13,840 and if you can you want to get into 146 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:16,320 research you need funding and investors 147 00:05:21,990 --> 00:05:18,240 and usually they like to see patents and 148 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:23,990 now here's another the second hurdle 149 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:26,080 which i kind of would say is really a 150 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:28,160 lot of hurdles in there 151 00:05:34,550 --> 00:05:31,680 is that for patents usually you're 152 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:34,560 focusing on technology that's developed 153 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:36,720 a new widget a new projector or 154 00:05:41,430 --> 00:05:38,320 something very things that people can 155 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:41,440 look at and and see 156 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:43,360 one of the standards for obtaining a 157 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:45,360 patent is that it has the patent has to 158 00:05:50,950 --> 00:05:47,840 have utility usefulness 159 00:05:52,469 --> 00:05:50,960 um and there's a case law and things 160 00:05:53,990 --> 00:05:52,479 that have developed over time 161 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:54,000 basically setting forth certain things 162 00:05:57,510 --> 00:05:55,919 that you couldn't patent 163 00:05:59,749 --> 00:05:57,520 you can't patent something that covers 164 00:06:01,590 --> 00:05:59,759 basic law of nature and a lot of things 165 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:01,600 that we're talking about 166 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:04,160 are perhaps basic laws of nature can you 167 00:06:10,309 --> 00:06:07,360 heal by certain thought processes and 168 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:12,550 as well as the patent office and i was 169 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:15,280 actually a patent examiner in the 80s 170 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:16,880 and i remember one of my friends coming 171 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:18,639 in going look someone's applying a 172 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:20,560 patent they have a wheel that basically 173 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:22,080 they think rolls further than the 174 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:23,680 regular wheel it's like 175 00:06:27,350 --> 00:06:24,960 they were so excited to be like 176 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:27,360 rejecting it on being a perpetual motion 177 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:29,600 machine because that's not possible 178 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:31,440 so the patent office will will basically 179 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:33,120 look at some technologies if you say i 180 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:35,440 have an invention that you can then by 181 00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:37,440 based on your thought process change the 182 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:39,440 color of the light in your room and you 183 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:41,039 know i think you'll get 184 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:42,479 uh the patent office having a difficult 185 00:06:47,909 --> 00:06:44,720 time accepting that whether or not there 186 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:47,919 might be some uh basis or articles and 187 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:49,440 things that you probably 188 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:50,560 many of you have written that would 189 00:06:53,590 --> 00:06:52,479 support some of these things 190 00:06:56,790 --> 00:06:53,600 um 191 00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:56,800 as well as basic mathematical algorithms 192 00:06:59,589 --> 00:06:58,319 um 193 00:07:01,110 --> 00:06:59,599 you know some of the things that we're 194 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:01,120 talking about 195 00:07:06,390 --> 00:07:04,160 you know statistical methods for 196 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:06,400 improving accuracy for winning the 197 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:07,680 lottery 198 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:08,960 those types of things are hard to patent 199 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:10,800 so some of the things that you're coming 200 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:12,080 up with 201 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:13,680 might have 202 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:15,440 you might see benefits to it but 203 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:17,120 sometimes it's hard to patent it 204 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:19,440 sometimes you can patent an algorithm in 205 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:20,880 some kind of context but you're 206 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:22,720 definitely dealing with types of 207 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:24,880 inventions that are in areas that are 208 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:27,440 kind of on the fringes of patentability 209 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:28,960 and probably one of the reasons most 210 00:07:32,950 --> 00:07:30,720 people here don't even think in terms of 211 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:32,960 patents i would think 212 00:07:36,150 --> 00:07:34,639 as well as things that are purely mental 213 00:07:37,909 --> 00:07:36,160 steps you know if it's something that's 214 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:37,919 just carried out in your head patent 215 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:40,240 office doesn't care you know 216 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:42,000 so they basically want something tied to 217 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:43,840 a machine 218 00:07:46,870 --> 00:07:45,360 however 219 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:46,880 there's a lot of mental steps and a lot 220 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:49,199 of things that 221 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:51,440 that one goes through in remote viewing 222 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:52,720 and a lot of things 223 00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:54,639 where 224 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:56,639 i think there's a lot of possibly 225 00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:59,520 invention i think maybe there's a 226 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:01,039 issue there as to whether everyone you 227 00:08:07,029 --> 00:08:03,840 know it's old knowledge or whether some 228 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:07,039 of it's actually can be developed 229 00:08:10,950 --> 00:08:08,560 that probably goes into someone else's 230 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:10,960 lecture 231 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:13,599 recently the federal circuit which is 232 00:08:17,749 --> 00:08:15,120 the patent court 233 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:17,759 in dc has changed the law pretty 234 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:20,560 substantially that limits the ability to 235 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:22,240 patent software 236 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:23,360 um 237 00:08:28,070 --> 00:08:26,560 and business methods and general methods 238 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:28,080 previously 239 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:29,440 as long as 240 00:08:33,589 --> 00:08:31,360 the invention created some kind of a 241 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:33,599 tangible result i don't know if anyone's 242 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:35,680 patented things maybe they've heard this 243 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:38,240 then the courts here would say yeah some 244 00:08:41,190 --> 00:08:40,159 tangible result printed out a number 245 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:41,200 some kind of 246 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:44,560 value uh to estimate the likelihood of 247 00:08:47,750 --> 00:08:45,920 of winning the lottery yeah that's a 248 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:47,760 tangible result and they'd get like you 249 00:08:50,710 --> 00:08:49,920 get a patent on it now they actually 250 00:08:52,630 --> 00:08:50,720 want 251 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:52,640 you to create something that's more tied 252 00:08:58,710 --> 00:08:54,399 to a machine 253 00:09:01,829 --> 00:08:58,720 and the functioning of the machine or 254 00:09:04,389 --> 00:09:01,839 transformed some article of manufacture 255 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,399 the reason for that is more because of 256 00:09:07,829 --> 00:09:06,160 all these internet patents that came out 257 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:07,839 and there's a lot of people trying to 258 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:09,360 patent everything on the internet like 259 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:10,880 you know clicking on one little thing 260 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:12,560 and to get money 261 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:14,720 but um it's just 262 00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:15,920 something to understand that it's a 263 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:17,600 little bit difficult to obtain patents 264 00:09:20,949 --> 00:09:19,040 in these areas but 265 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:20,959 not totally impossible 266 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:24,000 um and then also you can't 267 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:26,000 get patents on methods of actually 268 00:09:28,949 --> 00:09:28,000 treating patients that's the whole idea 269 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:28,959 is to 270 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:30,080 keep that 271 00:09:35,030 --> 00:09:32,000 open to the public 272 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:35,040 there are some limitations on that 273 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:37,760 one of the things one can do 274 00:09:42,310 --> 00:09:39,760 is if you have invention that's in some 275 00:09:44,389 --> 00:09:42,320 area where the patent office might 276 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:44,399 consider that it has no utility or not 277 00:09:48,829 --> 00:09:46,480 believe that it will work in the way 278 00:09:51,350 --> 00:09:48,839 it's intended to work you could 279 00:09:53,590 --> 00:09:51,360 basically patent the device 280 00:09:56,310 --> 00:09:53,600 focusing on another utility of it you 281 00:09:59,590 --> 00:09:56,320 know maybe the it creates a novelty item